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to provide a voice of the world. last week's european council agreed the overall limit on eu spending for the next seven years, starting in 2014. been agreed in the past, spending has gone up, but last week we agreed that spending should come down. by working with like-minded allies, we delivered a real- terms cut in what brussels can spend for the first time in history. as the house knows, the eu budget is negotiated annually, so what we were negotiating -- initially at the council last november and again last week -- was not the individual annual budgets, but rather the overall framework for the next seven years. this includes the overall ceilings on what can be spent -- effectively, the limit on the european union's credit card for the next seven years. during the last negotiation, which covered the period 2007 to 2013, the last government agreed to an 8% increase in the payments ceiling, to 943 billion. put simply, this gave the eu a credit card with a higher limit, and today we are still living with the results of allowing the eu's big spenders to push for more and more spending
. i know what that poll is saying, but i think there's a lot of confusion between the euro and the eu sometimes. i know that people think of the eurozone and the eu as sort of the same thing. >> the whole message from the conservative government has been a little confused. it's interesting and we'll play this a little later, but -- >> but they want to stay in the eu if they can negotiate new terms. you punish about there's a split in there because there will be one wing of the party that is essentially we want to stay and he are negotiate. the question comes is if they can't get everything they want, do they then say we tried, but we still better stay? a whole other wing of the party says, if we try and we don't get what we want, then we had better leave. >> and it's interesting. we asked earlier tr week about whether it would be bad for business if britain left the eu. actually, he seemed to say yes. in every the less, i think he serves in some capacity with the government, as well. he hesitated a little bit and says, well, yes, we'll play that tape. >> and how many other people actu
-claude junker says he expects the eu to real a deep on the budget today. juncker said the last of an agreement would be disastrous for the region. julia is in brussels. julia, are we going to get a budget? mr. cameron has said, look, i don't want it frozen, i want it cut. so what's going to happen? >> well, we're moving in the direction of cuts. i think the positive news is that if you compare what we were talking about in november, we've cut around 80 billion euros from the 1 trillion euro target that they were looking at back in november. so we are moving in the right direction, but with regard to the decision today, i think if you've been listening to angela merkel to david cameron himself and francois hollande this week, the indication is that perhaps we shouldn't be as optimistic as jean-claude juncker would have us believe, but someone has to fly the flag for europe and we like our posturing in europe. overall, what rewe looking at? germany, the uk, the nordic european countries are fighting for cuts, real term cuts in this whereas italy and france would rather have it held steady. even
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